Loose Change

But we can at least talk about it, right? And here to help us do just that is the conspiratorial counterculture content creator space longtime legend Jason Bermas.

Of course, he's a talk show host and documentary filmmaker who helped bring us some of the greatest early internet conspiracy films there will ever be, including several that inspired yours truly, like Loose Change, Fabled Enemies, Invisible Empire, and Shade.

You can find him on Rokfin, Rumble, and YouTube doing his thing as well as ever, and it's a true honor and a pleasure.

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We'll see if that happens.

But otherwise, all my other documentary films are still out there for free.

You mentioned them before, Loose Change: Final Cut, Fabled Enemies: Invisible Empire, and, uh, Shade: The Motion Picture.

They're all over at my YouTube in my documentary films playlist, and you even get a little, a, a NXIVM bonus.

Uh, he has a, a, a book that I think you need to check out.

It's called The Soldier That Left: The Untold Story of Loose Change.

And Loose Change, if you aren't familiar, you need to be.

Um, it will be a big part of our discussion, uh, for sure, and we'll get into that.

But I just...

That's interesting.

Um, okay, and, and I, I did a poor job at the beginning.

If i- if you're not familiar with the Loose Change movie, it...

I remember it was actually shortly after that debate with Popular Mechanics.

Um, we all were having dinner and, you know, people were aware of Loose Change 'cause it was a phenomenon or whatever, but my Uncle Jack had watched, um, the, uh, debate with Popular Mechanics, and he was adamant about the original story until that debate.

And he said, "You know, I watched that and I was really impressed with you." And he's just like, "You know, you asked a lot of really good questions.

They didn't seem to have answers.

He has no documents, guys.

Do you guys know Jason Bermas, the, the Loose Change guy? The guy who, like, made-

No.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know who Loose Change is?

I know who you're talk- I know the sh- I know Loose Change though, yeah.

Loose Change.

So I, I, I was on a show with that guy, not just him, but Clint and I and, like, eight other people were on a show with him.

Back up, guys.

It drives me nuts because, obviously, Loose Change, the positive effect that movie had on the world, you can't quantify.

It was an amazing documentary.

So when people would push back on specific little things, it would drive me fucking crazy.

It was...

OK, what do you really think? OK, how can you prove that? OK, what evidence do you have this video? OK, let's go talk to this person, especially after it blew up in 2005.

We gave even I mean, we we sunk so much money and our time into loose change final cut to talk to people that just like any of these documentaries.

Some of those interviews never aired, weren't even in there.

Expert at cutting through media noise, that's Jason Burbis, and propaganda is relentless in exposing the truth about critical events and issues that impact our lives.

Jason's documentary films include Invisible Empire, Fabled Enemies, Loose Change and Shade, And today we're seeking and talking about 9-11, 25 years on and its enduring impact on Americans and ultimately each one of us.

Jason, thanks for joining us.

A long time no see.

I will say this, those that are proponents of a plane or Flight 77, you do have several light poles that were clipped on the way in.

Now, one has to beg the question, if that were the case, how did the plane maintain its course and hit directly? Why don't we have debris of those wings anywhere on the highways where they hit these things? You know as well as I do, If a plane hits a bird in the air on takeoff or landing, it does large level destruction.

You know, Mike, back in the day when we were doing research for loose change final cut, we made a little money on the second edition.

We did an extensive investigation into the Pentagon, went to D.C., found some of the first people on the lawn, Bob Pugh, who had footage prior to the frontal collapse.

No, no.

It was, um, Loose Change.

Loose Change.

His name was, it was Dylan.

Not Dylan Avery.