Mm.

And so at that point in 2005, took my career on a journey into post-disaster reconstruction and thinking a lot about floods and also being involved with universities trying to cope with these massive events.

And so out of that preliminary conversation came the idea for UTS, my university, and Southern Cross University to collaborate on the creation of this Living Lab, and the idea behind that was born out of, uh, my experience in, uh, post-Katrina New Orleans.

Um, and it was based on some work that I had been involved in there.

The idea was to create a place where you could connect the very best technical experts, researchers, practitioners across a very broad range of disciplines, but you could connect them to the communities that need to do this kind of work because disaster work and climate adaptation is generally something that is new to these communities.

And so I think it's really important to be able to find the expertise of people who understand these sorts of environments and who have had this experience so that they can help communities to get better outcomes because what we see is often a huge injection of public resources into a place after a disaster.

But these places are very disrupted.

Oh, my God.