Littleton

And then the other was Volt Typhoon.

And we saw Littleton, Massachusetts last year about this time on 60 Minutes.

They had reported FBI came in and said, hey, we see China in your SCADA systems, in your control systems and things.

And we don't know what they're doing there.

It sits out past Boston.

The town runs its own power company, Littleton Electric Light and Water.

It's a public utility, the kind of outfit where the guy in the bucket truck probably coached somebody's Little League team.

In February of twenty twenty-three, somebody new moved in.

Christmas came and went.

Fourth of July came and went.

The visitors from Beijing were still sitting in Littleton, Massachusetts.

Robert Lee, who runs Dragos, made a point of saying this was nowhere near one of the largest electric companies in America.

And, and this is where this problem gets so much more interesting when you open up basically, you know, the attack service, the words we use over and over again, to basically everything in the United States.

Uh, General Hawk, when he left Cyber Command and he gave a, uh, a, an interview on 60 Minutes and he was talking about this w- uh, water treatment plant in Littleton, Massachusetts.

And I went, "Littleton, Massachusetts? I grew up in Groton, Massachusetts.

I grew up one town over from Littleton.

Like, why would anybody wanna be at a power pl- a water treatment plant in Littleton, Massachusetts?" Well, why not, right? 'Cause all I'm trying to do at this point is cause a little hate and discontent-

Right

... or have the community feel that you can't protect them regardless of where they are, 'cause I can affect your, all the water in Minnesota.

[laughs]

The small town of Massa- [laughs] of Littleton, Massachusetts right now.

Until the next time, we out of here.

Peace.

That's 844-844-iHeart.

Okay, I'm going to go to Claire in Littleton, but just before I do, I think this text really hits the nail on the head.

I mean, this one, holy mackerel.

So again, 603 Jeff, this is both the problem with and the predictable outcome of having a despotic political party in our country whose ultimate aim centers around the absolute destruction of the republic.

You're a bomb thrower, a political bomb thrower.

That's what you are.

Claire in Littleton.

Thanks for holding, Claire, and welcome.

Decision-making from the top, it really needs to be ingrained in everyone's philosophies and strategies moving forward from today until the end of time, probably.

That was David Ketchin, the Assistant General Manager at the Littleton Electric Light and Water Departments in Littleton, Massachusetts.

He's one of my guests on this podcast, along with Bill Murray, the Senior Vice President with Dominion Energy, an energy holding company in Virginia.

Our focus is cybersecurity at utilities.

Thanks, Ed.

Nice to be here.

So to get started, why don't you tell us a little bit about Littleton Electric Light and Water Departments and sort of the service area, how many people are involved?

Yeah, so Littleton Electric Light and Water Departments, we're located in central Massachusetts.