Lisa M. Montgomery

when people say that that grok is like less woke than the other ones it's still woke as hell

that was the first one that was the first return okay here we go prior ones include lisa montgomery in federal prison that was january 13th 2021 so that was the last that was the most recent of a biological female thank you grok

wow i'm shocked at that actually what what did they get her for

I don't know.

And once you see it in one case, you see it in all of them.

So, before Parker, we'll go back to the case the experts consider the template, Lisa Montgomery.

And after Parker, we'll come home.

We'll talk about Amber Waterman, and about a 21-year-old woman named Reagan, and a 33-year-old woman named Ashley, and the babies who were stolen from them.

That's the framework.

Now, let's see it move.

If you ask the experts which case defines this crime in the modern era, most of them will point to the same name, Lisa Montgomery.

In December of 2004, in the small town of Skidmore, Missouri, there lived a 23-year-old woman named Bobbie Jo Stennett.

And I'll just say this, but I just wanted to say that our understanding of us as human beings is that for the most part, we probably come here fairly unscathed, unscripted, and then things happen to us.

And you cite some very – Specific examples that I read about, one woman, Lisa Montgomery, I think that's the name, that did a horrible thing in terms of strangling a woman who was eight months pregnant.

But then when we peel back the layers and we look at some of the things that she saw as a young woman, as a child, frankly, and as a young woman, you can not... empathize because you weren't there but you can certainly see that the person was in an environment where there was nothing left for them um but destruction talk a little bit about that and then a couple of the others that you highlight sure

sure so

um

i mean maybe the best way i can talk about all the cases i i the folks that i wrote about lisa montgomery was um tried and convicted and sentenced to die and executed in the early days of the first or the last days of the first Trump administration.

But maybe the best way for people to understand this difference between, as you said, the why and the simply what did they do is to talk about a current case that's going on that people may have some familiarity with.

is the Lindsay Clancy case, right? If we ask simply, what did she do? Well, the answer is she strangled her three children to death and then cut her wrist and slashed her neck and jumped out of the second story window of her home in an apparent attempt to kill herself, right? That's what she did.

Many of them, by the way, got the death penalty in their respective states.

Lisa Montgomery, Sam.

Why is this particular case such a tender box?

I don't know.

Yes.

Um, uh, this was Lisa Montgomery, who was executed in the waning days of the Trump administration by the US government, the first Trump administration.

Um, and a guy named Brian Dorsey, who was executed by the, uh, state of Missouri.

Um-

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My name is Lisa Montgomery.

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Okay.

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Hi, Lewis.

My name is Lisa Montgomery.

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Why? I need to know.

But who is Lisa Montgomery? Well, it turns out she actually has a very sad story.

It doesn't mean that she shouldn't be held accountable for what she did, but I think, you know, she had a really awful life and it makes sense.

Okay, look.

Just recently, oh my God.

So just recently, like a couple months ago, January 1st, 2021, the judge granted a stay of her execution on the ground that her mental competence must first be tested as executing individuals with intellectual disabilities violates the eighth amendment of the constitution regarding cruel and unusual punishments.

therefore meaning lisa doesn't qualify for the death sentence this day was then overturned by the supreme court they voted six to three and the execution order was ordered to be carried out immediately not long after midnight january 13 2021 lisa montgomery was executed at the um prison in indiana

Yeah,