As ever, how about we get started hearing how you got started being freelance?

So the freelancing desire to be freelance came before I knew what I wanted to do freelance.

I just knew I didn't want to be employed.

So I started out, I was going to be a primary school teacher.

And I went to teacher training college and I lasted three days and just knew that wasn't what I wanted to do.

So I got a job and I had a few admin jobs and eventually ended up at the Open University as a secretary.

And I started to think then maybe I could freelance as a secretary, which I guess now is a VA. Yeah.

So you must have seen that change since as well, like the way you get work or is it just a different form of cold outreach?