Lionel Shriver

I do find it interesting that there are more and more people talking about the need for more masculinity.

I had Lionel Shriver on the show saying she wishes for a more masculine immigration policy, that she needs more strong men in the room making decisions.

So it'll be very interesting to see how all of this develops because The paths that you've both been on and the ones that I can certainly relate to, as listeners will know to a certain extent, is something that many of us have been on as well.

And the more of us that are going through that, of which it definitely seems to have been... a large number, you know, culture, as you know, comes out of practice.

It's just for the love of baking.

So I'm baking those, and I'm reading... [laughs] Actually, I've just finished reading a book called A Better Life by Lionel Shriver.

It...

So she wrote, which I've read also, that terrifying We Need to Talk About Kevin book.

I had to read it for my book club.

One of the girls in my book club, Anna, hello, is a big fan and picks...

We've do- I think this is the third Lionel Shriver we've [laughs] done in our book club.

Oh.

Welcome to Brand of Eight.

We are delighted to be rejoined by one of our favorite literary philosophers, Lionel Shriver.

And we're gonna be talking about her latest book on, uh, immigration called A Better Life.

Lionel, would you like to tell us the premise of the book?