And they have a whole segment on election integrity at WhiteHouse.gov.

Right.

So I've done that type of work, voter roll work now for many years with the Public Interest Legal Foundation.

And what what everyone kind of has to understand, first and foremost, is there is no database anywhere where somebody can look up and see whether or not you're a citizen.

There's not one.

true database that's kept up to date that you can look at and say, yes, you're a citizen or no, you're not.

There's a database that can look up and say, yes, I have a Pennsylvania driver's license, right? They keep that up to date.

And as I trust you and love you, um, but you're, are you in an upcoming article with them? Can you talk about it? Yeah.

No, he paid for a

two day extravaganza.

And this wasn't like a party like that.

I would throw where the cost would be, what, you know, a couple hundred dollars.

These are tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Like, what's the thought process? I'm going to have an after party two days later.

I'm going to invite all these people that are in the news as it is.

Yeah, that's like a

And the

League of Women Voters and other places sued because the left always is very concerned about removing anyone from the voter rolls, whereas the right tends to say, hey, we need clean voter rolls.

So what happened here is the district court and the appellate court agreed with the plaintiffs and said, no, you can't do this.

So this got to the Supreme Court on whether or not they could put something temporarily in to basically put it back into place.

So this is a temporary order by the Supreme Court.

And the Supreme Court did not buy what the appellate court or the district court said and said, no, this program can remain in place.

What's important and what I think everybody is missing is, number one, even if a state sends a name to the SAVE program and that program cannot verify that the person is a citizen, that doesn't mean the person is automatically off the voter rolls.

They're not just going to frame it in the way that you are here, which I think is what the Supreme Court did.

We're just following the law.

Yeah, I really try not to use that word.

So America has this systematic alien verification for entitlements program, the SAVE program, and that was only supposed to be for verifying whether or not you were eligible for public benefits.

Now, the Trump administration modified the program, and what they did was they wanted to incorporate checks against original records like Social Security numbers, And they also wanted state and local authorities to be able to conduct bulk searches of multiple individuals at once.

So, like, you know, you send in a huge list against a safe database and it spits things back out.

And the League of Women Voters and other places sued because the left always is very concerned about removing anyone from the voter rolls, whereas the right tends to say, hey, we need clean voter rolls.

So what happened here is the district court and the appellate court agreed with the plaintiffs and said, no, you can't do this.

what i'm saying in the court of public opinion though linda i think the trump administration will be using this and there's going to be debate around that they're not just going to frame it in the way that you are here which i think is what the supreme court did

Linda, do you remember where you were, what you were thinking? Were you a fan of Elvis at that point or too young?

Yeah, I was, to give away my age, I was... 10 when he died.

And I absolutely remember it.

My dad was a huge Elvis fan.

And at the time, if any of the audience remembers, we didn't have all these channels on TV.

So you would only have here in the Delaware Valley, three, six, and 10.

And I remember the pictures of all of those people at Graceland.

What is the song? What is, if Elvis had one song, what is it to Linda Kerns?

Linda, do you remember where you were, what you were thinking? Were you a fan of Elvis at that point or too young?

Yeah, I was... to give away my age.

I was, um, 10 when he died.

And I, I absolutely remember it.

Um, my dad was a huge Elvis fan.

And at the time, if any of the audience remembers, we didn't have all these channels on TV.

So, um, you would only have, you know, here in the Delaware Valley, three, six and 10, um, And I remember the pictures of all of those people, you know, at Graceland.

What is the song? What is, if Elvis had one song, what is it to Linda Kerns?

I doubt that they would do it, but your thoughts on that?

Yeah, I mean, look, that's certainly the message that the federal government is putting out there.

Now, do I think that that's going to actually result in a conviction? I mean, I'm really not sure.

Look, a lot of the non-citizens who actually do get on the rolls, it's either by accident or misunderstanding.

It's very rare that they intentionally get on the rolls and intentionally continue to vote.

I'm not saying it's not a problem because it is.

Our voter rolls should not have non-citizens on them.

So go figure.

He was asked by a guy, CBS affiliate in Pennsylvania, are you worried that that if you have a non-citizens vote that could be a criminal charge now department of homeland security saying that i doubt that they would do it but your thoughts on that

yeah i mean look that that's that's certainly the message that the federal government is is is putting out there now do i think that that's going to actually result in a conviction i mean i'm i'm really not sure look A lot of the non-citizens who actually do get on the rolls, it's either by accident or misunderstanding.

It's very rare that they intentionally get on the rolls and intentionally continue to vote.

I'm not saying it's not a problem because it is.

Our voter rolls should not have non-citizens on them.

But, you know, for a crime, there has to be intent.

So I think it would not be that easy to convict somebody.

So, go figure.

Mm-hmm.

And in a district like mine where I only have several hundred voters, you don't think the commissioner's office would say, "Hey, we-" Why are there 30,000 extra votes in this little neighborhood where Linda Kerns lives if there's only 300 voters? Or would you have taken those 30,000 v- votes and spread them all over all 3,500 machines? Maybe.

Well, how do you do that? Because the machines aren't connected to each other, so whoever's infiltrating is gonna have to, what, get in the warehouse and add those votes on? But the commissioner's office checks those machines.

Y- you make sure that there's no votes on it, uh, before the, uh, election, and you also...

They also look at the time code for the votes and make sure there's no votes before 7:00 AM on Election Day.

So I know that it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, kind of titillating to say, "Hey, they could hack the voting machines." But the way our voting machines are, not connected to each other, it's not that easy to do in practice, and that's the beauty of our system, and the frustration.

We're decentralized.

Yeah, exactly.

And it seems to me on the big cases, Coney Barrett is almost in lockstep with John Roberts, who I think has been overall a disappointment.

Republicans tend not to be able to pick candidates.

conservative justices who will adhere to the text of the statute or the Constitution.

It seems like everyone we pick tends to get a little more mild and strays from it.

The left has no problem.

It seems like the left picks people and those picks get even further left on the bench.

But think of some of our choices over the years.

If you don't want to show up on Election Day, the downside to you is you have to fill it out properly and get it in on time.

And it seems to me on the big cases, Coney Barrett is almost in lockstep with John Roberts, who I think has been overall a disappointment.

Republicans tend not to be able to pick candidates.

conservative justices who will adhere to the text of the statute or the constitution.

It seems like everyone we pick tends to get a little more mild and strays from it.

The left has no problem.

It seems like the left picks people and those picks get even further left on the bench.

But think of some of our choices over the years.

If you don't want to show up on Election Day, the downside to you is you have to fill it out properly and get it in on time.

So, you know, which side would you be on that Ginny and Forrest Gump is a villain, he actually said?

Absolutely.

These women can't get pregnant and then leave and not tell the dads and try to raise these kids on their own.

The dad is just as much right as the mom.

They're just as important.

So, yes, Ginny's the villain.

Sign me up.

It was the 60s and all was a turbulent time.

Then they'll send it to the media, oh, Stacey Garrity's being murdered, and we know what that does, depresses the vote.

Right.

Well, they'll say that if you start canvassing, you can't release the results, much like when they start canvassing on Election Day, they can't release the results.

My problem with canvassing before Election Day is we have to fix a lot of other problems before we allow that.

And I'm not convinced we have all the systems in place to prevent somebody from voting by mail and then going to vote on the machine.

Now, the fact that they don't start counting until Election Day, they can check the poll books.

And if you did show up to vote by mail, they won't count your mail on ballot.

They're under my command for a few more days to give us a good price.

Depresses the vote.

Right.

Well, they'll say that if you start canvassing, you can't release the results, much like when they start canvassing on Election Day, they can't release the results.

My problem with canvassing before Election Day is we have to fix a lot of other problems before we allow that.

And I'm not convinced we have all the systems in place to prevent somebody from voting by mail and then going to vote on the machine.

Now, the fact that they don't start counting until Election Day, they can check the poll books.

And if you did show up to vote by mail, they won't count your mail on ballot.

Yeah.