Lincoln Jopp

leaving elderly veterans fearing for further years of legal proceedings.

The MP Lincoln Jopp, who did four tours of Northern Ireland serving with the Scots Guards, he spoke about several experiences during his time there, you know, one of being a vehicle driver, control point and how there was a driver that claimed to have a bomb he said the IRA's tactics were all designed not only to kill and maim but also to put the British forces and the police on a series of horns of dilemma in order to make their job incredibly difficult as well as trying to kill them and he said that on his second tour he was an operations officer in East Tyrone on a tour that spanned the ceasefire.

And he said right up until midnight on the day the ceasefire kicked in, he said the IRA were trying to mortar and bomb and murder British troops.

The MP Stuart Anderson, he spoke about being a teenager when he served towards the end of Op Banner He made the point that, you know, one and two generations above him are being asked to recount some of the things that they might have suffered through that have left them with post-traumatic stress, things that they don't want to remember, things that actually they possibly now can't remember.

Does my honorable friend agree that somewhere that can combine government, politicians, alcohol, and a prison is maybe a good idea for the future? [laughing]

A Conservative, Lincoln Jopp, noted that many pubs were being named, and he said there was a rumor going around.

And it is this, that honorable members only have to mention a name of a pub in their constituency, um, and then take the hard copy and send it to that pub of Hansard, where that name is mentioned, and the next time that they go in there, they get a free pint.

[laughing] That, that is of course, that is of course completely untrue.

And I think that's very significant.

Of course, viewers will remember that we had, or at least a recording from an interview that Lincoln Jopp gave me the other day, who tried a private member's bill in order to make sure that there would have to be declaration of any kind of further investigation of the actions of British soldiers in order that this isn't simply a one-sided exercise.

But of course, Brian, they're very clear to steer away from suggesting what he and what the government actually mean by this.

Absolutely.