Lifnei iver

It might not-

To what extent, to what extent does the Mocher have a fear of Lifnei Iver not to make sure that nothing goes wrong?

Yeah.

The question is, is it really Lifnei Iver or, you know-

Well, if you, you know, if you don't-

It's a step removed because who said-

If the seller was silent, then you could assume it's definitely not a Bechor because it would be his obligation to notify you.

So it, it seems like it's setting up a Lifnei Iver, like, basically what, what we call this thing.

Well, Rav Yochanan is saying that if he doesn't notify you, it's like a Lifnei Iver, so therefore, he would've notified you.

Um, you could assume he would've notified you.

It's, it, it's actually a bigger Chillul.

You see, Lifnei Iver normally means [smacks lips] when you put a stumbling block in front, front of a blind person, you cause someone to do an Isur.

I do some kind of action that causes you to do an Isur.

I pass you something that's not allowed.

The rabbi called me and he gave it to me.

I said, "What are you giving it to me for?" He says, "It's your fault." "It's my fault?" 'Cause yeah, it was Lifnei Iver.

I said, "What are you talking about?" He goes, "You know the guy was a little whatever, and you, you liked him, and he liked you.

You're friends with him, so you didn't push him for a contract.

Why?" I'm like, "I didn't think the guy was gonna mess me over."

Right.

He's like, "It's a Lifnei Iver.

He's on your Cheshbon.

So, uh, which believes in some-- Which is a violation of not, not of the first of the Aseres Hadibros, but of the second of the Aseres Hadibros.

And, uh, the shita Of the Baalei HaTosfos, certainly the way it's traditionally understood, is that while it's a violation of a, of Avodah Zarah for us to believe in Shituf, it would not be Lifnei Iver for us to facilitate those who believe in Shituf to, uh, to, you know, to, to, to facilitate their prayers and their-- the Rama writes this in, in two places that I'm aware of, probably even more places.

But in, uh, Yoreh De'ah, in Siman Cuf, Lamed Alef, when we talk about, uh, these, these Inyanim, that's like the Ikkar place you would imagine you'd find it.

But even if you're, uh, not holding by Yoreh De'ah, and you learn Orach Chayim, and you learn, uh, just Mishnah Berurah.

So no, no, he really intends for HaKadosh Baruch Hu.

איי but he's being mishtatef shem shamayim bedavar acher ולא מצינו שיש בזה משום לוט נבו לשיתו מכל שדר אין אם הוא סר מלא שיתוף.

He says that we don't find that that's a violation of Lifnei Iver 'cause ein mul sarim mala shituf.

They don't have the, uh, the, the, the, the Isur of, uh, of Shituf.

One important comment of the Shach is probably one of the most important Shachs in all of Shulchan Aruch because it comes up all the time.

Um, and the Shach writes that whenever it comes to lifnei iver, the definition of lifnei iver, the sitra achra, is that you're enabling someone to do something that they otherwise wouldn't be able to do.

They need you.

Otherwise, it's what we call trea v'dinara.

So if you're dealing with an ovdei kochavim, uh, it could be that, uh, if it-- this kulah of the Rama is very critical.

The way the Shach understands it is that when, uh, when the person doesn't care, there's no isur of mesaya.

Forget about lifnei iver.

There's not gonna be an isur of mesaya.

So maybe it's Talionat Machlokas.

What about Lifnei Iver? What about the fact that by me bringing it there, I know that it's their job to confiscate it, and they're not allowed to destroy it.

Meaning, what's their attitude to destroy it? So maybe it's Lefne Iver.

So Reisman told me that he didn't think it was Lefne Iver, based on the Truve of the Mariel Diskin.

Right.

Again, lifnei iver is to tell someone to do an averah, but lifnei iver is also an etzah shaloh ha'ganis.

You would see that if somebody had $5,000, let's say, in total to invest, to tell them, I've got a great alpaca farm, I have an Ethiopian gold mine, you know, I have a pie-in-the-sky idea, I have what Google calls a moonshot, and you should put all your money into that, I don't think that's an etzah ha'ganis.

You know, it's interesting.

He says that the Yisra of Lifnei Ivar doesn't apply by Akum, certainly not Midareisa.

And therefore, the Gemara preferred to quote the Pesach of L'Yisham Ha'apicha, which may reflect an Issa de Raisa, versus Lifnei Iver, which doesn't reflect, which is not an Issa de Raisa by an Akam.

From Taisvus, it doesn't seem that that's Taisvus' opinion.

Because Taisvus' opinion is that the reason there's no problem, because as we discussed earlier, there is no problem of shitov with an akum, by an akum.