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Leveraged buyout

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Sep 18, 2026

Rich FriedmanGUEST
2:41
I had a little experience because in between my years at business school, I worked for Citibank in their asset-based lending area.
Rich FriedmanGUEST
2:48
So I learned about asset-based financings for receivables, for inventory, and the earliest of days of bootstrap LBO people.
Rich FriedmanGUEST
2:56
You know, I was one of the only ones who had that kind of experience.
Rich FriedmanGUEST
2:59
So when we started to get a few assignments in this, you know, I was chosen to get involved with it, which was, you know, which to me was very interesting.
Rich FriedmanGUEST
3:06
You know, I would say that I got assigned very quickly to, you know, we were progressing fast into the
Alison MassHOST
3:14
LBO world back then.
Alison MassHOST
3:15
It wasn't called private equity.
Rich FriedmanGUEST
3:16
I ended up being assigned to getting involved with a fair amount of media transactions.
Thomas HopkinsGUEST
14:43
You've got the situation in Iran, which is very unpredictable, the situation in Ukraine, which is ongoing.
Thomas HopkinsGUEST
14:48
So it does seem slightly strange at first glance, but I think it's important to remember that obviously, you know, there was this sort of bumper year in 2021 for, you know, LBO, it's leveraged buyout and M&A activity, you know, with sponsors taking advantage of the very low rates that we had in 2021.
Thomas HopkinsGUEST
15:07
Then we had 2022, the Ukraine war started, inflation, you know, started to take off.
Thomas HopkinsGUEST
15:13
We had, you know, huge rate hikes over the course of 2022 and 2023.
Thomas HopkinsGUEST
16:14
And that made conditions more challenging.
Thomas HopkinsGUEST
16:17
And so we didn't see so many deals.
Thomas HopkinsGUEST
16:19
I mean, Electronic Arts, that $20 billion LBO was a notable exception to that.
Thomas HopkinsGUEST
16:24
But we didn't see that much activity.
John BowmanHOST
20:54
Now, to put the early green shoots of infrastructure institutional investing into perspective, you might remember, if you've been listening to the show, that the first VC investment, Fairchild Semiconductor, was nineteen fifty-seven.
John BowmanHOST
21:05
The first private equity LBO deal, Orcan Pest Control, we put at nineteen sixty-four.
John BowmanHOST
21:12
The first sub-investment grade non-bank credit, of course, came through Michael Milken's innovations in the late seventies.
John BowmanHOST
21:18
So infrastructure, as a result, may be the oldest investment in human history, but it is a very new institutional asset class by comparison.
Nathaniel WhittemoreHOST
25:15
We've created a custom charting experience, better citations, an SEC filing viewer, and much more." Sundeep Srivastava writes, "It's not a general chatbot with a finance skin.
Nathaniel WhittemoreHOST
25:25
It's aimed squarely at what junior investment bankers spend their weeks doing: company research and equity analysis, LBO modeling and buyer screening, pitch books and client decks formatted to the firm's own templates." Now, as you might expect, this is opening up some questions about whether those junior associates are going to be replaced.
Nathaniel WhittemoreHOST
25:40
But I think it's important to note that it's not particularly realistic to think that high-level bankers are going to be making their own models and slide decks just because the agents have gotten much better at that core work.
Nathaniel WhittemoreHOST
25:50
There's still questions of accountability, iteration, and all these things which more senior level bankers are not gonna wanna do.
Aram VerdiyanGUEST
39:00
I'll give you one statistic.
Aram VerdiyanGUEST
39:01
So you look at '21, '22, about two to three hundred billion in LBO software transactions happened with over two hundred billion in debt taken out.
Aram VerdiyanGUEST
39:11
The average valuation for the software deals were twenty-five to thirty-two times EBITDA.
Aram VerdiyanGUEST
39:15
Those companies today are worth probably half that.
Armen PanossianGUEST
13:10
Typically speaking, when a broadly syndicated loan or a direct loan is issued, it has a seven-year maturity.
Armen PanossianGUEST
13:15
So a 2021 or 2022 LBO matures in 2028 or 2029.
Armen PanossianGUEST
13:21
Now, the reason that's important is it shows that in the 2025-2026 timeframe, the defaults that we saw were 74% from this vintage.
Armen PanossianGUEST
13:32
So in the last year and a half-ish, almost 75% of the defaults we've seen are from this vintage before they actually matured.
Armen PanossianGUEST
13:49
Now, as we roll that clock forward, that cash flow situation is not improving.
Armen PanossianGUEST
13:53
Rates are high and likely to stay higher, especially because of inflation tied to the war.
Armen PanossianGUEST
13:57
And then we have a 2028, 2029 maturity cliff or maturity wall that is going to result in a significant portion of defaults and losses and deep loss severities, especially because a lot of these businesses that were LBO'd prior to the last year or two were asset-light businesses.
Armen PanossianGUEST
14:18
And to Bob's point, they've been starved of cash.
Kipp DeVeerGUEST
4:13
We have a dedicated financial services team.
Kipp DeVeerGUEST
4:16
And what that allows you to do is it makes you better, makes you smarter on the LBO financings that you're doing, but it also puts you into the room, um, going direct to company with CEOs, with really differentiated industry knowledge.
Kipp DeVeerGUEST
4:33
So when you step into the room, you're not learning about a company.
Kipp DeVeerGUEST
4:38
You're sort of already well kind of steeped in the vernacular that comes with some of these more specialized industries.
Kipp DeVeerGUEST
7:46
I think that over time has continued to drive our outperformance.
Kipp DeVeerGUEST
7:51
I don't know if it's necessarily new entrants, but certainly folks that don't have those advantages, i.e. are smaller or less diverse in terms of what they're able to source.
Kipp DeVeerGUEST
8:03
There is adverse selection, whether it's an LBO financing.
Kipp DeVeerGUEST
8:07
If you're a private equity firm that's trying to raise, you know, a billion dollars to go do a deal, you don't call 25 people.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
11:26
And what happened post-Nabisco is bondholders learned.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
11:30
They learned in what way? They started putting special clauses into bonds to protect themselves against LBO-like activities, the same kind of activities that made Nabisco bondholders worse off.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
11:41
So bonds became puttable, which meant that if you did an LBO, those bondholders could take those bonds back to the company, put them back to the company, and get their face value back.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
11:52
If you lie to financial markets, we know what happens.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
17:13
In the process, they impoverished existing bondholders and lenders.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
17:18
In fact, on the day of the LBO, Nabisco bond prices dropped by 20%.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
17:23
In fact, I've introduced a word into the finance lexicon that I call Nabisco.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
17:28
If you lend money to a company and you don't protect yourself, you are begging to be Nabiscoed.
EvaHOST
5:33
The entire architecture of the firm is designed to maximize that 20% profit cut.
EvaHOST
5:40
And the way they generate those massive profits is through a mechanism called the leveraged buyout or LBO.
EvaHOST
5:49
In a lavish buyout, a paying firm identifies a massive medical product they want to buy.
EvaHOST
5:55
They use a portion of the capital from their limited partners at the equity, like the down payment.
EvaHOST
6:03
But they finance the vast majority of the purchase price with that.
EvaHOST
6:08
And here's the magic trick with the LBO.
EvaHOST
6:11
Wait for it.
EvaHOST
6:13
That debt then sits on the balance sheet of the private equity firm.

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