Leverage

You mentioned before Jonathan Frakes and Spiner.

You've worked with them both again and again and again with two of your television series, Leverage and The Librarians.

Frakes has directed... a lot for you do you know do you know the number of times he's directed for you off the top like it's he's one of your go-to

guys right we actually met as actors on a tv show in the 80s i i was one of the leads of a ill-fated tv series and he was our guest star playing a killer pimp and I just loved him as a dude.

But it was very rudimentary.

But the whole idea, the whole process was not, oh, here's a great business that we can do or we can compete with other people.

It was simply that we realized that we had a very active fan group behind Leverage.

and a very active fan group behind Librarians.