So take me back and take us back to what's happening.

I think with being with you, Susan, and it's just been...

I could not have, I could not be doing this without you only for many reasons that Pam mentioned, but also I'm used to lifestyle change.

The reason you and I went from a 30 minute initial conversation to an hour and a half is because I love the natural health.

I've always, unlike Pam, I've always been in it, but it got to a point where in my life right now, I don't, I'm tired.

I don't want to keep looking inside myself.

I didn't know the self-diagnosing that a lot of people do in the natural health is exhausting.

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