say.

Come in, he was standing, not sitting.

And he didn't tell me to take a seat, so I know this wasn't going to take long.

He said, well, as you know, Deion Sanders just got drafted, Atlanta.

And I didn't notice that Coach Andrews was in his room.

That's the defensive back coach slash coordinator.

He was in the room.

Yeah, yeah.

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Because it was allegedly, allegedly, you know, with four games to go, you know, Aaron didn't want Mike to be the head coach anymore, and he got fired, and I didn't agree with that, by the way.

I, I don't think firing the coaches during the season is something that I was happy about.

But McCarthy showed he's the bigger man, actually, uh, in stature as well, that, "You know what? I, I, I can go there and get this job," 'cause remember Big Mike is from Pittsburgh.

How about you tell us all about that?

Yeah, the thing about it was I met two presidents in my lifetime.

[laughs] Uh, W. Bush, he was cool as a fan, man.

This man came with some khakis on and a golf shirt, throwing the ball around.

The

last two years because they was beating us.

It's pivot now to the Bears.

And you're right.

Because that game, ever since Ben Johnson got there, it seemed like they're playing for keeps and we're playing for a promise.

Ben Johnson don't care.

He's not trying to be your friend.

But in terms of what that has meant to you and how things have maybe changed since that happened, because Lord knows it was well-deserved, and thank God Pete got you in, but what has it meant to you?

Amazing.

But the history of the Jaguars to me is iconic because of the international relations, having two games out of the country.

They're the biggest team outside of the United States.

But it's about the growth of Trevor Lawrence to me.

And I know people get all, uh, twisted about, uh, Etienne leaving, but the thing about Cohen's offense, it's productive.

So if...

And, and players don't really do like, "What are your records gonna be the first six game...

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