Leo Passage

As, as somebody who's always worked on the business side of beauty, you know, starting with Pivot Point, you know, big educational company, but I was on the business side always.

And, and Leo Passage, hairdresser, founder, brilliant educator, most of his role models at the later stages of his life, I would say from his 40s up un- u- until his 70s, were business leaders outside of beauty, 'cause he was always looking at the larger business world going, "Oh, let- let's grab that best practice.

Let's grab that-"

Yes, yes

It might have been the year before.

With Leo Passage, I was a pivot point at the time and took me for the first time.

And I was trying to understand the whole industry at that point in my career.

And he said to me, as we walked by the bar, which was happening, it was like six o'clock, it was in between things and it was just jammed.