Mm.

But I found it very, it took me a long while to sort of realize that, and I felt like I was really just following a, a path that I didn't fully understand, and it took a while, and I questioned it endlessly, like, "Why am I doing this? Why am I doing this?" And it took a while for me to just sit with it, and for it to be okay to be here.

And I think knocking on, I don't know, 12 years now, whatever, and having gone through everything that we have in this time, it's kind of, I feel like, you know, it's okay.

[laughs]

Mm.

Um, but it's, it's a very specific thing that I was trying to capture that is a bit crazy, really.

[laughs] And it's one of these things that when I talk about it, I'm like, "God, did I really do that?" [laughs] But we're talking about time, talking about transporting you in time, thinking about formative memories, really.

And there's a lot of wood in this, but something that is prom- prominent and is bizarre is a sort of madeleine cake accord-