How difficult was that to go from where you were to where you ended up?

Well, I do love the game.

I love playing football.

That was me.

I knew I was always going to play with some of my pals and maybe my brother, who's a little bit younger than me.

But I knew at the end of my career, I was still going to play football, whether it be...

Over 35s beat, you know, non-league football.

You're trying to earn the money.