oh,

he's so great.

He's so wonderful.

And it's like, he's just going to get worse, right? Like Jax Taylor, we have, what, 15 years of footage of him? I mean, at least 10 years, right? Yes.

Of like him just getting... not changing or getting worse.

Like these people do not change.

So like I do appreciate the importance of Jax Taylor and the Bravosphere as a teaching tool of like these people don't change.

So Lauren, what's going on with Danny?

I take it you're not numb to it.

I love Jax from a teaching tool, like personally, just because we have so many years of footage of him.

I think for me, the purpose he serves is that he shows that like a young narcissist, a la Charlie Secor, right, is not going to change.

Jax has spent enough years apologizing, crying, pretending he was going to change and they don't change.

So I like the fact that there's so much footage of him that shows that they are who they are and they don't change.

You can go to rehab, you can have a therapist, you can have your wife leave you.

They're not going to change.

Well, I mean, on some level, it's

So Lauren, do you want to sort of introduce yourself to our listeners, both professionally and what you post on Instagram and how you sort of got into this world? Yeah.

Sure.

My name is Lauren.

I'm a psychologist.

I mostly work with women healing from narcissistic abuse that are either in a narcissistically abusive relationship or sort of like post that relationship.

But I post on Instagram.

I really love to break down different Bravo couples and what is happening on screen to kind of do like a play by play of like, that's what he just did.

Is it, do you see them getting into similar patterns because they, you know, haven't gotten out of that feeling? And then they're, you know, again, kind of right for the picking for another narcissist? Or do you see it to where they see what happened and can kind of move forward? Or is there not really a roadmap?

And I was wondering, how did you develop this specific interest in intimate partner violence and, and eating disorders?

Well, the true answer for any of us doing any kind of, like, passion projects is it's lived experience, right? Like, I'm not gonna turn into a passion about geology and volcanoes 'cause that's not something I've lived through.

But I have lived through an eating disorder and intimate partner violence.

So when I was in college, I had an eating disorder for several years of college, and I was very fortunate actually to get great treatment, coincidentally, at the Renfrew Center in New Jersey, not an ad.

But, and I, I think relatively quickly the therapist that I was working with was able to help me see that chasing thinness was not making me happy, right? Like, I was able to see, like, oh, all these attempts at getting thin was not making me feel accepted, loved, like I'd reached any kind of destination.

So relatively quickly I was able to kind of dismantle some of my eating disorder symptoms, which felt like a win.

However, in hindsight, what I ended up doing is taking all of that energy, which, as you know, is a tremendous amount of energy to sustain an eating disorder.

So people who have this preexisting eating disorder, what makes them vulnerable to getting into a relationship with intimate partner violence?