Laura Lentz

Welcome back to Lights On.

Laura Lentz.

Hello.

We love you.

We relocated.

I'm not going to bring light to this.

If I was, I would say it's Laura's responsibility to... put the clothes from boxes into places that are visible i would never bring up the fact that she hasn't done that if i was gonna bring it up that's why i have this i didn't even know where this was and i i didn't even know where that was in the back of the jeep i'm at the bottom of the barrel i wore a sleeveless one last time i'm in a camo one of one life is hard for me i've got to repair all the damage she's done it's a whole thing

I'm taking my time unpacking.

Welcome lights on.

I'm the co-host here with Laura Lentz who is the host with the mostest.

Maybe you're not

on radio.

Tomorrow's a new day.

There's a way to breathe above that kind of air that really helps people.

So our answer, Carl and Laura, Is it true that you're never the same? It's very true.

What kind of person you become off the back of it? That's why we wrote that freaking book.

The most prolific reader of questions of all time.

And Laura's got a sweatshirt on by Alo, not sponsored by

them.

Sorry.

And this is still with you having to deal with people thinking that you were a pushover.

Yeah.

Like Laura Lynch is brainwashed.

Like he's such a manipulator that he's got her in a trance.

excited about it.

If you're brand new to our journey, Laura and I have never been through anything.

But if we were, we would have put it in a book, Overcoming Infidelity, 10 Conversations That Heal the Hurt.

Pre-order that thing.

because when a bookstore feels like there's a certain amount of pre-orders they will stock it with more which means the people you really want to get your book who don't know you there's a greater chance they will so basically a pre-order is about you you you know and you love the authors and you believe in the project that's it right so anybody else trying to do anything i never even knew that's why i would never talk about pre-orders but i will now because we do want many people who are outside the bubble to get this

yeah

I mean we have talked to couples that we just meet that aren't they don't you know believe we believe follow what we follow but some of the stuff that we do know works in these hard moments it's really transformative so if you are a lights-on listener and you believe in what Laura and I are doing go pre-order that thing just click on and if you've gone through infidelity and loss and betrayal and stuff that's really hard

or you know someone that has a

Let's talk about it.

And so if, if Laura, if you were to tell me, I don't want you watching the WNBA because I don't know where your eyes are going, where your thoughts are going.

I might have questions around that, but my first posture is not that you're picking at that.

It's what's going on in you.

I just feel we need to hear that what we are feeling is normal and that we are going to make it if we keep trying.

I love that you can be vulnerable in your podcast.

Were there moments of lying on the floor crying? Is that normal? Anger, how do you make it through the anxiety day to day? How did you make it through mornings when you woke up and felt the weight return to your chest? How did your nervous systems finally calm down? Is there any hope? Was there a day in the life of Carl and Laura at six months out after disclosure? Then one year, help me understand we're not going crazy and that the world is not going to blow up.

Then two years out, then three years, then a day in the life of where you guys are now.