... you know, I could relate to people.

Well, I, I think in the beginning, at least for me, it was just know what the list is for the day and get it done.

And if you can have...

We always call it moving the dirt at Lion Share.

We have to m- move dirt every day.

Who's gonna move what parts of this mountain? And in the beginning, I was just very much a, I'm gonna say drill sergeant, you know, this, this, this.

Um, and then I would try to fit people that were square into a round hole.

... flying to go meet a client that they probably shouldn't be doing, and they're like, "Tell me h- like, was there any steps or things that you followed to get there?"