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Very good plug there.

I had written two books on the Labour Party.

I was chairman of a thing called Labour List, which was a Labour Party website.

And I was a donor to various people, two of whom fought the 2020 Labour leadership election.

And the reason I donated to Beth Kirstheimer and to Lisa Nandy, and she was then a backbench MP, was actually to prevent another candidate from winning.

My name's Emma Burnell.

I'm the editor of Labour List, and we do a lot of work in partnership with the Fabian Society.

Um, so I'm really delighted that we could make this in-conversation event happen.

Um, and I'm delighted to sit down again, uh, to talk to Lucy Powell.

I, I think that's right about, but I think people kind of have a misnomer about what party members do and don't want, and we do a lot of polling-

Yeah

... obviously at Labour List, um, to try and-

We do, yeah

He's also done some really tangible things.

I wrote an article probably about eight months ago for Labour List called Act Fast, Prioritize Visible Change, and Keep Showing Voters You're on Their Side.

And it was really about the kind of Trump playbook and how to be urgent and how to kind of be quite performative and theatrical in the things you do.

Um, and Burnham's done that as well, and it does feel like for the first time you can kind of point to stuff that shows that, that politics can, can make a difference.

On the point about leader popularity, it was interesting listening to what you've just said about Kemi Badenoch's popularity and thinking about my time in Liverpool last week at the Labour Party conference.

I went to a briefing that was put on by Labour List, and they commissioned a poll of Labour Party members by Survation, the polling company, and they reported that Andy Burnham has a ninety-two percent approval rating among Labour members.

And one of the things that I reflected on that is, isn't that extraordinary given that Andy Burnham was never elected by the Labour members? Uh, the only times that Labour-- The only times that Andy Burnham faced the Labour membership in twenty ten and twenty fifteen for the party leadership, he was rejected, and then he emerges, uh, in a quite Tory way, really, he emerges as the consensus choice as leader, and you don't even need to have a contest.

He is just anointed as Labour's leader.

Uh, well, let me tell you who's on Cross Question at 8:00 first.

William Wilfred Emmanuel Jones, a businessman known as the Black Farmer, Silkie Carlo from Big Brother Watch, uh, Stella Sant-Akiwue, columnist for Labour List, and Lord James Bethell, former Conservative peer and health minister.

They'll be here to answer your questions after 8:00.

Now, a new book is out which charts the history of warfare.

Was it privacy? I don't know.

Big Brother Watch.

Uh, Stella Santichiedu is a columnist for Labour List and also former Labour advisor, and Lord James Bethell, former Conservative peer and health minister.

They will be with me to take your calls and WhatsApp messages and texts over the next hour here on LBC.

Very good.

If you want like funny gossip tonight, Labour List karaoke, you know, who's singing what, is Wes streeting up, they're doing Pink Pony Club.

Fantastic.

Also, I've just got to add, I went to the spectator party last night, and that's obviously not the natural home of people here.

And I'm delighted to be joined by Paul Nowak.

You've written a column in Labour List recently saying that this is the conference where Andy Burnham has got to show how his circuit breaker is going to work.

But you also said that Britain has felt quite broken.

Labour's been in power for the last two years.

with a

crown.

But one of the things you've argued in your Labour list column that we started talking about is that some of these problems should be funded by higher taxation on the banks.

Can you really govern the Bank of England while calling something that would harm the banking sector?