this.

Whatever the plan was, we said that we would be willing to help with technology and to help, if necessary, with funding.

of this as a joint, again, partnership.

And then the final one was the triple B thing.

And what we had put forward was that every sector of the economy has an EEIP path it can take, but mining doesn't and telecom doesn't.

And our ask was for mining and telecom to get everything everybody else gets and nothing more.

All three of those were answered in the negative, unfortunately.

It's like, actually, no, we're not willing to

Why? Why do you think that's happened this way?

You know, the head scratching continues on our end.

I think there are a couple of things going on.

I think they thought that we were bluffing and that, you know, as I was talking to one of my interlocutors a few weeks ago about how we were running out of patients and the time for talk was over.

And he looked at me in mock astonishment.

And he said, but don't you understand? We South Africans love to talk.

And there's a lot of truth to that.

Washington, has he made any progress from his perspective with engagements with the U.S. government?

Okay, so let me go

through the two issues you brought up.

There were two of the five asks.

And this is the kind of demagoguery that we're being hit with because it's nothing of the sort.

On the expropriation issue, The ask was that this expropriation without compensation be struck.

Why? We have the exact, well, not the exact, we in the United States also have an expropriation policy.

That's not the issue.

So on what basis do you have a refugee program for South Africans to go to the United States? Let me give you an