And women don't talk about this stuff, right? Is it because they don't have the language, or is it shame, or, or what in your experience is the reason that this isn't talked about?

I truly believe it's generational.

I see women from very early age to in their 80s, and as you can imagine, there's a huge difference in their willingness to speak about it.

And so a lot of them, my younger gals, the reason they feel comfortable I think is because of social media and also podcasts like this that are saying it's okay for you to talk to your friends about this.

It's okay for you to be in a group on Facebook that talks about whatever it is.

There's pelvic floor PTs and other clinicians that are sharing information that makes you feel like you're not the only one.

Now, our older generation, they didn't have that.

Tell us about that.