Um, and then, yeah, so, and I have a lot of, lot of moms I still see that used a surrogate and they they're they're not coming in about the surrogacy role they're coming in because they're managing work-life stress or they've got a two-year-old or they're you know just you know so so yeah I

mean I just always like to share with the intended parents that the purpose in addition to what Leslie said is that we want to provide support and education so Again, working through any other, you know, a different layer of grief and making sure that in some of the things that we talk about in those sessions are really far away and feel really weird to even be talking about, like thinking about the delivery experience.

And some of them will vocalize that, you know, they're kind of more guarded because they've maybe been through a lot already and they don't really want to think about that delivery experience that we're just going to wait and see if we get there, you know.

So we do have to kind of, you know, walk them through that, even though it might be uncomfortable or they're feeling like they're getting their hopes up in that moment.

But we always explain, yes, we're available for, you know, at any point in this journey, but this is definitely our time to sit down and talk about those expectations that you have too.

And so I always, I like that part of it because I feel like you can, even though there might be some guardedness, you do kind of see their eyes brighten up and getting to think about like, you know, getting to see their baby and holding that precious baby.

So I feel like that's, a really good part of the conversation to talk about as well that I like

how can they approach that in a way that helps them get the most value from it?