Krill fishery

But it's, of course, a deeply problematic take because, as we've discussed, it's not just the quantity of krill, it's where they are.

There's nothing stopping krill fishing companies from taking the krill from particular zones.

There's nothing making them spread their catch.

across the Southern Ocean.

declare a moratorium and shut down the fishery? What do you think? What's kind of the gap between what's realistic and what we want to actually see, which obviously would be a total moratorium?

The speed at which things have shifted, for instance, in the German retail market, I think does give me hope because that's public opinion, consumer preference driving that, and it's happened very fast.

I think the more, as you say, most people aren't aware that krill fishing is even happening.

But once they do know, I think it's pretty easy to understand that it's a terrible thing and shouldn't be happening.

They will reproduce, and it takes a long time for these whales to recover because of their slow life history.

Antarctic blue whale populations are still a small fraction of what they once were, and the krill fishery is legal and it's regulated.

The question is now is whether the rules keep up with what we know about how much whales eat.

And this is not just a fact of these fishers are taking away the krill 'cause of the whales.