Knight Commission

And I went to an R3, Research 3 university called Robert Morris University outside of Pittsburgh and ran that for about six years.

At which time, the current president, Michael Crow of Arizona State, whom I've known for years in various, the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics, different programs, he called me up during COVID and says, Chris, I don't know exactly how you got where you're going.

I've been following your career.

You're always pretty interesting, always pretty thoughtful when you get stuff done.