Kirsty, are there any what you call professional people that have entered the competition, like people that are making these clothes for a market?

Look, there may be some.

To be really upfront with you, I haven't gone through them, so I didn't look at any of those details.

And when they were judged, that's not something that we looked at either.

We wanted to take out, if they were a student, we wanted to take out all the background and just look at what was in front of us.

I say us in the sense that I sort of have oversight to it, and I work with the criteria with the team, and really what they do is they look at the criteria.

So there may be, there were definitely some who applied who were in that category, but we're not quite sure where they fit.

course you can.

So was that a long conversation to get to those one-liners or was it quick?

You'd be surprised.

There were so many ways to phrase it.

But the simple thing is we do want to see a world with just waste.

You know, we consider treating waste as a resource and In nature, there's no waste.

It's a beautiful compost cycle.

It goes back in or the water goes around and around, whatever it is.

Has the festival achieved its aims or is it sort of an ongoing reminder to people that they need to worry about waste?