Kira A Cassidy

And the more as we go along, what we're finding is that there is this great intersection of science, art and culture, photography, if you will, in there, and then this conservation.

And the more that things like that shift.

So, for instance, you know, when you speak to Akira Cassidy, for instance, That perspective, one, she's incredibly knowledgeable and insightful and so well-spoken.

Kira is, I think she's been on our show five times and she always comes to the table with something new.

But what people may not know about her is is she has this beautiful, she does these like watercolors of birds.