What do we think is like, when everything's going well, what does that look like to you? How do you define like a successful multi-dog household? Kim, do you want to start us off?

Yeah, sure.

So I think right now I could say that my household is that picture.

But I'm also I'm lucky in that I'm drawn towards breeds that tend to be socially savvy and get along in big groups.

So that kind of helps me out.

Yeah.

For me, what I'm looking for is that everybody's happy in the household.

Kim?

So can you share about when we say opt-out stations and when we're thinking about ACE free work, what that means and how this idea came about and how you've been using it?

Yeah, I mean, I'm still trying to decide if the if opt out stations is the proper name for it, because I think opt out has maybe a negative connotation for people.

But I this actually came about with a discussion with Sarah.

I was telling her how my newest dog.

So this was about two years ago.

She was a puppy Sunday and she was very I helped to raise her litter.

She was a very emotional little puppy.

I'm already thinking about examples in my life.