So all those problems, Kim, that Jenny's laid out there, What are the risks when comp teams are forced to navigate these challenges alone?

Yeah, what Jenny said, I know this is a podcast, so you can't see I was shaking my head.

Yes, up and down.

That's exactly where I was thinking.

And it's gotten so complex.

And there's so many different things that we need to know as a comp practitioner that it's unreasonable to think that one team can do this alone.

And as a retailer, we personally, we operate in dozens of states and each location has their own pay transparency laws their own requirements and they're con they're constantly evolving and so just staying current with all of that is a challenge and a job in itself and at the same time to what jenny was saying is compensation is no longer a black box it's no longer a behind the scenes conversation that's taboo to talk about And employees have access to so much salary information.

And so, Kim, when you think about using expertise, how have you done that in your role? Where has it really helped you?

So all those problems, Kim, that Jenny's laid out there, What are the risks when comp teams are forced to navigate these challenges alone?

Yeah, what Jenny said, I know this is a podcast, so you can't see I was shaking my head.

Yes, up and down.

That's exactly where I was thinking.

And it's gotten so complex.

And there's so many different things that we need to know as a comp practitioner that it's unreasonable to think that one team can do this alone.

And as a retailer, we personally, we operate in dozens of states and each location has their own pay transparency laws their own requirements and they're con they're constantly evolving and so just staying current with all of that is a challenge and a job in itself and at the same time to what jenny was saying is compensation is no longer a black box it's no longer a behind the scenes conversation that's taboo to talk about And employees have access to so much salary information.

And so, Kim, when you think about using expertise, how have you done that in your role? Where has it really helped you?