Kilner

Bangor?

Down near Kilner.

[laughs] They're shaking hands-

Mm-hmm

So there's a brilliant bioethics theologian scholar.

His name is Dr. Kilner.

And Kilner argues that the image of God is a status and a standard.

So it is a status that is given to all of humanity that is irrevocable, right? But it comes with a standard, and that requires you and I to live up to the status that we've been given.

At the fall, the image of God is not broken.

Now, I remember learning about this when I was studying psychology at university and I was like, oh my God, this makes so much sense.

However, the current reviews and research in like the Journal of Current Biology, in Kilner and Lemon's case in the 2013 study, basically confirmed that this mirror neuron activity is definitely well documented in this individual neuron level for primates, but there's indirect evidence that something similar is happening in humans.

But yeah, it's definitely something that's still very much debated.

In plain English, it's basically the plausible biological seed for why watching someone suffer can activate something like suffering in us too.

We are Ukrainians.

It's Wednesday, the 9th of September, 4 years and 197 days since the full-scale invasion began, and today I'm joined by our Russia analyst, James Kilner.

Russian strikes over the last day have taken to nearly 150 the total number of Ukrainian casualties inflicted since US envoys Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff left Kiev in the wake of all those protestations by Putin about really, really, really wanting to find a way to peace.

Only the most gullible would have believed his words, but there's no arguing with the statistics.

Hmm.

Yeah, fair enough.

Now let's pick the Kilner brains, if we may.

Putin was at the Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok a few days ago.

He, they know that he was asking about the psyche Val.

They know that, that he had visited, um, matt kilner's dad after maddie's death and then they also found out that he had visited matt the day that he had disappeared and so of course you know he's still trying to sway them towards robert's direction but it was like tree You ain't even telling us everything that you're supposed to tell us about you and Matt.

What's going on? It seems like you're hiding a few things.

And then when they had asked him about him going to go see Kelner's dad, he slipped up and was like, yeah, because that was my friend.

she really doesn't have anything to offer just yet aside from saying that when her captor had taken her she could smell a girly smell okay that's how she describes it that's all we got to go on right now so Brett is telling us you know that Rhonda while she did come back she was just a fraction of who she was before she got kidnapped and um honestly he's kind of feeling how she feels he feels very alone um in his quest in his efforts to try to find out what happened to Matt because whatever happened or whoever took Rhonda he feels the same person that took Matt as well and they he just feels like the police are not doing what they need to do when when it comes to his baby boo and getting justice for Matt Hopefully he's still alive, okay? So he ends up showing up to Matt's parents' house and he talks to Matt's dad, right? Mr.

Kilner.

So Mr. Kilner basically tells him, you know, he's not quite sure why Brett is there.

He's already spoken with the police and the police are of the mind frame that whatever has happened to Matt, if he is still among the living that, or if he's not among the living, that he did this to himself, right? That he literally asked for whatever happened to him to happen.

And of course, Britt is outraged by this.

That's where my mind went as well, but for the audio version.

Yeah, no, it's when Kilner's arm gets taken off and then she hits him with it.

And I'm not even 100% sure that's in the audio version.

That may just be in the novelization.

Sunset, everything, you know.

Yeah, I think that's a really, really lovely scene.

Kilner has some good monologuing there and some really kind of like vulnerable philosophising.

And

And so I started thinking, like, you're just asking, what do they see? Right.

Because like what frequency are they seeing from whatever's coming with this eclipse? And that's where when you get into the whole thing with Kilner, Kilner created aura glasses and he could analyze people's auras.

It makes you wonder how large, like you were saying, it goes out.

And it's just something to kind of think about, like what we don't see.