Kiki Smith

I think so, yeah.

And they've got all that Kiki Smith-like potential for storytelling.

You know, just even we're both sitting here looking at one in particular, and this is so new that it's not really on your website, but...

This character seems to contain such a story within that very simple image.

But then you spend ages looking for another gallery.

Before we leave New York, part of this group was Kiki Smith, was Jean-Michel Basquiat, David Wojnarowicz, and also I think you had a great friend, Craig

Coleman.

And he died quite young, didn't he?

He's got an interesting fan page now on Facebook.

People contribute remembrances of him and his work sometimes goes up.

But when you say that I was part of a group with Jean-Michel Basquiat and Kiki Smith.

We didn't identify as a group.

And she was just, you know, in in outer space while she was doing it.

you know? Um, and the thing about her too, is that, uh, right away in, you know, 19, as she moved to New York in 79, I think, and she was working at this bar called Tin Pan Alley in Times Square, um, which was, uh, which employed, I mean, I think all the employees were women, women artists, Kiki Smith work, you know, all these people.

And, um, And then there was this downtown institution, this guy named Rafiq, who was a Palestinian illegal immigrant, right? And he ran a thing called...

op screen um on broadway about a block below the strand and he the foundation of his business is he had figured out how to buy um our you know military surplus motion picture film which he bought in quantity and sold to downtown filmmakers he like made the downtown film scene possible