of my

dear friends from New York, his name is Hamdan.

He was like, dude, you are the only commercial photographer I know that's also an epidemiologist.

Why are these things so siloed? And I was like, these things are not siloed.

And I'm using clinical research problem solving skills in my creative practice.

And I'm using creative problem solving skills in my clinical research practice.

And Yeah, I have had these two full-time careers now for over eight years, and they're very different.

You travel to Pakistan somewhat frequently, right?