And what when did you decide that you wanted to to become a judge?

I don't know if it was really like a desire in my heart or anything.

It was just sort of a lifetime of preparation, I guess, without knowing that I was preparing myself to do this work.

When I joke, you know, that it's not really a joke.

It's true.

When I was a young lawyer just graduating from law school, I didn't want to do criminal law or appellate law.

I wanted to be a rich civil trial lawyer.

don't think my colleagues are getting money from sorrows anymore.