Was it like 2017? Was that the first time or 16? Was that around the first time

or way earlier? Way earlier.

So, Just to do a little bit of throwback, this was way before WMBF was mainstream.

Like in Malaysia, the only real way for you to be a bodybuilder was to go enhanced, which was under, I can't recall what's the federation, but it's kind of like tangentially related to the IFBB, which is where a lot of guys would either go there because there was governmental backings, whether they like to admit it or not.

Most of these guys are geared up to the guilds.

Or you can do the muscle mania, which I was also not a fancy of because I kind of knew that these guys were kind of taking gear and I just wasn't ready to take that dive.

I've considered it, but I didn't.

But on barbell lifts, on dumbbells, things like this, I won't use it as much unless I'm trying to remove the triceps.

What are some factors that would make you decide not to program lengthened partials for somebody, if there are any?

So I would typically-- So I have to kind of backtrack a little bit.

I would actually redefine the way that I define full ROM.

Um, and that's something that I have to take into consideration because to me, full ROM would be where I can complete a rep at least clearing like arbitrary number, 50 to 60% of the lengthened position.

At least that's what I would define full ROM as.

So, so long as you can clear 50, 60% of the range of motion, I would still consider that as a full rep that can be done.

So that's what my definition of full ROM would be.

And there are also factors that I simply cannot contend with, which is their own gene-- their-- this genetic potential.