And how did you get into the digital agency world?

Great question.

The question everybody gets on this show.

Um, usually everybody's stumbling into it.

I, I kind of, uh, came with an intention.

My, my, I, I founded and sold six businesses, or three businesses out of the six that I started, and I realized that marketing was a key, um, indicator of success for founders to understand.

Not be the marketers, but really understand it.

Okay.