Mm-hmm

... it's either Sasquatch or it's a person.

So because we're there, because everyone was accounted for, was there potentially a Sasquatch kind of circling, you know, and listening to what people were saying on the radio and, you know, just being entertained by people walking around and [laughs] walking around in the woods like a herd of elephants, essentially.

Um, so yeah, 50/50.

But then the second night is where it gets really interesting.

The second night is where I got big- bit by the Bigfoot bug, and I got bit hard.

So it was a, again, a smaller group.

Why don't you carry a recorder when you do this? I, I, that's

Why was that to say? Oh, good.

I had experienced a lot of like, I just felt a lot of uncomfortable.

Like I was just not comfortable the whole entire time.

And then it led up to actually me seeing a shadow person in like a fetal position on the floor with like a hallway full of, you know, other researchers.

I mean, there was maybe like 10 of us, but yet saw this thing.

And it was for what I thought it was like a woman, but she was all black, kind of like longish curly share in a fetal position.

And I actually thought I was going to like step on her.

How could you tell anyone else in the woods?

I almost wonder if this whole Patterson-Gimlin footage fiasco is an attempt by someone, powers that be, whatever you want to call it, to muddy the waters in a similar way in the cryptozoology field.

I mean, all of it is, I think we're coming of age where people have to experience things for themselves, whether it's AI, whether it's this information act, right? Like I think it's all leading towards, you have to go and experience something yourself.

You cannot take face value anymore, right? Whether it's your phone, whatever it might be, something you read, it's, it's, and candidly i think it's i don't know if that was the intention of this wave or this shift that's happening but to me that's the only answer is that you can't see a bigfoot or sasquatch i mean i'm seeing it more and more you know four sasquatch sightings in ohio multiple in the upper peninsula Oh, something was caught on, um, you know, Hunter game footage thing, right? Uh, game trail camera.

And then you look at it and it's like, it's still blurry or you look at it and for whatever reason, like the eyes blink super crystal clear.

It's like, it's just, you're, you're, you're left to think, okay, maybe.

Right.

Um, but even the information act or that you were talking about, it's like, if, if something is saying, yes, this exists, I'm actually more interested to understand why they went the UFO route and not the Sasquatch route to begin like first.

And if you're trying to create a TV show or put it on the news, you'd have to discuss this whole base framework before you can even explain what they're doing.

What, what are you looking at height-wise?

Funny enough, yeah.

Great question.

Um, no one's ever actually ever asked me that question before.

I would say, like, six to 10 feet.

I mean, so the, it just kept kinda happening, and sometime there was, like, three or four.

There was as many as, like, I would say six or eight.

D- how do you know? How could you have gained that this was a, uh, a cub?

so w- you know, was it a movie for you? Was it a, some kind of a book for you?

You know, I always, for me, it's, it was that-And this is maybe a, perhaps a different answer than you were expecting, but I, I grew up in a household where my parents gave me the space to question.

And I think that that, to me, is really what allowed me to, I mean, a- and they were reading things to me like where the, you know, Maurice Sendak's Where the Wild Things Are.

That was, I love that book, favorite children's book.

I love the drawings in it.

I loved how there were these different larger than life creatures in it.

The main character, Max, if you go and reread that book, like he's a piece of work.

... which I've also encountered myself.

Mm-hmm.

Like there's, it gets back to kind of like the building of the psyche of these, of these creatures and how, um, depending upon w- the lesson that needs to be taught, like in this example, this was a character or creature that was developed, um, to basically make sure that, hey, we want our children safe.

How can we do that? There's a woman of the woods.

Now granted, there probably is a tribe of the woods which was also something that was like, you know-The indigenous people knew that there was another tribe in this country.

Um, and so I think it was just, again, a, a tool that was allowed us to say, or a story, um, that was meant to keep children safe.

Although they were probably the ones that were more fun to observe because they're the ones playing, they're the ones laughing the most.

They're running up and down.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah.

And it's kind of like these squiggly lines, but this, this was kind of happening, but, like, more front and center as opposed to off on the peripheral, which is a migraine.

And so, um...

And I, my, I was not having a migraine.

These were just the images I was seeing, right? And so the only thing I can say about that is we really opened ourselves up, and we were trying to get some sleep, and all of a sudden, I just w- immediately woke up and was like, oh my God, I don't know.

I think I'm gonna be sick or I'm gonna faint, or I don't know if I've got, like, food poisoning.

I don't know if I have to go to the bathroom and I'm gonna just, you know, completely, like, have a massive number two.

Huh.