Kevin Fong

[electronic sound] [upbeat music] Hi, I'm Alex Krotoski.

And I'm Kevin Fong.

And this is The Artificial Human, the show where we dive deep into the stories that we hear about artificial intelligence, and we answer some of the questions that you have about AI, plus a few of our own.

Now, today, we were all set to make a show about the Hugging Face breach, which saw an OpenAI agent bust out of its sandbox and get into another AI company's inner sanctum.

And as people, as a society, as organizations, and as governments, we are capable of making better choices.

I'm Alex Krotoski.

And I'm Kevin Fong.

This has been The Artificial Human, and if you have any questions about AI that you would like Kevin and I to answer, then please do get in touch at theartificialhuman@bbc.co.uk. And you can also listen to all of our previous episodes on BBC Sounds.

And I don't want to do this, but Neil really is pushing this.

And this guy, Kevin Fong, said, you gotta.

And so I did.

So the next step is always researching, which is one of my favorite parts.

They violate some divine or natural order.

And Cotton Mather is great because he uses the same framework.

Anti-vaccine people in his day, the guy who threw a bomb through his window when he was advocating for vaccines during a smallpox outbreak in Boston, one of the things they said was that it is unnatural, it is unacceptable to interfere with God's plan.

Who are we to decide who gets sick and who gets well? That's God's problem, or God's prerogative.

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Hello, I'm Kevin Fong.

And I'm Alex Kretosky.

And this is The Artificial Human, where we dive deep into the stories behind the headlines about artificial intelligence, try and answer some of the questions you have about AI and a few of our own.

Why do carefully made plans so often fall apart the moment a crisis begins? On what can emergency medicine, spaceflight and disaster response teach us about making better decisions when events refuse to follow the script? On today's episode, Dr.

Kevin Fong speaks to host Helen Chersky about what he's learned from working in some of the world's most high pressure environments.

and his lessons for how successful teams can adapt to uncertainty and learn from failure.

Let's join our host Helen Chersky now with more.

Academically, we're in very strong shape today.

Dr Kevin Fong has degrees in medicine, astrophysics, aerospace engineering and is a fellow of the Royal College of Anaesthetists.

We've got Professor Alice Roberts.

She warmed up for her degree in medicine with a BSc in anatomy and went on to get a PhD in paleopathology.

I'm with you till ten.

I have got the biological anthropologist and novelist and all sorts of other brilliant things, Professor Alice Roberts.

and consultant and ethotist and lots of other things besides, Dr Kevin Fong, and also the godfather of alternative comedy as well is with us, Alexi Sale.

Listen, Alexi, it's great to have you on, and I just saw an interview with you for a while ago.