Kenny Segal

Right.

And produced by Kenny Segal, which, like-

The whole thing

Let's go

Totally, totally

...

so much better than normal people's? It's just we happen to like Kenny Segal's music a lot, but I think this album is, like, being rightfully acclaimed and-

Mm-hmm.

It's so good.

Yeah, no, Kenny Segal is using jazz in a very interesting way to me.

And I find that I don't have the most extensive jazz knowledge, although as much as I am a fan of it, I do struggle with the... being like, this is where jazz is, this is where jazz is, this is where jazz is, I don't know the word.

I'm, yeah, I'm jazz, I'm jazz love, I'm jazz love, it's fucked, it's fucked, it's crazy.

You can attach to the word jazz as opposed to, like, experimental or abstract.

yeah

yeah uh but I think I think there's definitely I don't know there's um like you mentioned with Kenny Segal almost I feel like where jazz and rap intersect there's definitely been like a market sound developed for those two things and I feel like you know uh that became a more mainstream thing with To Pimba Butterfly and a few ex-niggas.

That's the genesis of jazz rap.

Have a listen to Navy Blue.

Have a listen to, like, Open Mike Eagle and Kenny Segal on what they've do- done on their new album, Doomed.

And dude, you're not alone.

You are not alone.