Kenny Schachter

That's where I like to say it began.

And then the very first group exhibition I was in was in a show curated by Kenny Schachter.

And he was a curator for a place called Baca downtown.

And his show was called From Sculpture.

So there's Kenny Goldsmith.

There's Wolfgang Stahler, who designs The Thing, which is a platform or a server for art.

and there's me and then reiner ganahl knows how to use a computer he doesn't have one but he knows how to use it and it's part of his artwork at the time kenny schachter knows how to use one but doesn't have one and so i had a computer and we're all doing it on that very old mac and then i got a slightly better one and i sold my very old mac which i just want to kill myself for for $120 in $10 installments to Aaron Nomenworth, that was just terrible because I think I got like maybe half of the installments and could have the original Mac right now.

And unfortunately, that's not the case.