Kenneth Stanley

I'm trying to find the shape of the maze, and I don't know its full shape yet, and I'm trying to fill it in, and I, I can go in that direction.

Creativity, as you were saying before, it, it's about discovering new questions, new problems, new mazes, and as Kenneth said in his book, Why Greatness Cannot Be Planned, that, that there's, there's a weird paradox there, that when you optimize towards something, um, it's really, really difficult for you to find something interesting and, and creative because you've got the blinkers on.

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

But, um, all of the, all of the inner structure, the abstract structure, the intentions, the motivation, the constraints are, are absent.

And I should bring in, um, uh, Michael Tomasello because we're, we're interviewing him, uh, in a few weeks, and he said human, uh, cumulative culture depends on shared intentionality, teaching, normativity and ratcheting, not just copying.

So this is really interesting because I think what you're saying is that we can, we can do this kind of imitation learning, but what we actually need to do is recreate because as, as Kenneth Stanley said, it's not about where you end up, it's about how you got there.

Mm-hmm.