Kenneth Kaunda

You know, Charles, very interestingly, you bring up the issue of Kaunda, because I didn't know until later on, of course, the history comes out, that actually one of the most influential institutions on the outcome of the elections of Zambia is their intelligence services.

And that unknown to Kenneth Kaunda, his head of intelligence had turned on him.

And was playing both sides.

So he gave Kaunda the assurance that he had his back, but was actively working with Chiluba.

were there.

They went to the State House with the idea of beginning President Kaunda at that time to reintroduce multi-party system.

And when you look at that, where they did their job accurately that we anticipated that the president Kaunda would have announced the reintroduction of the party system instead Kaunda had even to cut his term of office he went and announced the day of elections the period of campaigns that was a surprise to the entire nation the job was done by the church now this time I'm glad that I've heard that on the 28th of August, Reverend Kasungami Allen was saying that they were engaged by the United Nations to facilitate the transition of Brian Mondoville and Mackey Bezu from the United Nations compound to

the lawyers.

Actually, their role, as they explained, if that's what they were given, we appreciate the church being involved.

No. We've had two dongers, including the incumbent president, who have ruled this country.

If people are more interested, let them find out.

Kenneth Kaunda was a Tonga.

It is Africa's.

The generation of Kenneth Kaunda confronted the great question of their time.

Can Africa be free? They answered it.

They fought colonialism.

It is Africa's.

The generation of Kenneth Kaunda confronted the great question of their time.

Can Africa be free? They answered it.

They fought colonialism.

The one-party state abandoned.

President Kenneth Kaunda called for a referendum for one year.

And people said, we don't have that time for a referendum.

We want change now.

I'm going to propose what I think you Zambians who turned up, stayed on the queue, voted the president out of office.

He doesn't want to be like our statesman, Dr. Kenneth Kaunda, who was humble to accept defeat.

He doesn't want to be like, you know, that fatherly figure and diplomat, Rupia Banda, who lost an election and humbly gave it up.

He doesn't want to be like this soft-spoken tall man in Edgar Lungu lawyer.

My, my favorite one is Namibia, where there is a woman who just seems to be [laughs] doing, doing wonders.

So, so, so, so really I think that the question, I go back to what I raised earlier on, Charles, is will we ever go back to the Africa where we produced people like Julius Nyerere, people like Nelson Mandela, uh, people like, um, [lip smack] Kenneth Kaunda, uh, Gamal Abdel Nasser, uh, even the earlier days of Nkrumah, uh, Sekou Toure before he descended into witchcraft.

So, [laughs] uh, can we, uh, or the reformists, uh, Obasanjo or Meles Zenawi.

What does it look like to you, Charles, from where you're sitting? Do you see the old strategists who were able to do anti-colonial struggles, who were able to deal with the '70s and '80s and '90s in Africa and do the reforms and carry out? Do we, is, do we see that kind of thing? Uh, and who represents that new approach?

If he's the one that has been elected, the power is given to him on re-election.

If he's an opposition leader that has won, you hand over power like your predecessors did, Dr. Kenneth Kaunda did to Frederick Chiluba.

Like Rupiah Banda did, giving Michael Sata the power.

Like Edgar Lungu did, giving you power, Mr.

[lip smack] He's not the first Zambian president.

There was, uh, Dr. Kenneth Kaunda, 27 years, he ruled the great country of Zambia.

There was Dr. Chiluba, 10 years.

There was, uh, um, uh, Dr. Mwanawasa, seven years.