Yeah.

You know, Ron Moore, Niran Shankar, Rene Echevarria, uh, myself, Brian Fuller.

Um, I think by the time Brian got there, Michael had, had taken a, uh, uh, a more advisory role.

But for the, for the f- first, uh, th- I think it was the first two seasons of Voyager.

It might've only been the first one, but certainly by ...

I'm pretty sure for the first two seasons, Michael was, along with Jerry, really running it.

He was in, he was, he was in every story break, and he was the one who really taught me how to, how to break a story and all, and all those other guys.

When, in your opinion, was it kind of the best time to be a creative in the industry? Was it then? Was it now? Is it still-