Ken Rideout

Right? And I thought I was really tough.

I'm not Ken Rideout tough-

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Well, what-

And do things that I-

... what impresses yourself right now? What, what does Ken Rideout fire up about?

Well, doing hard things, like I just came back from, uh, a wild trip in Mexico doing ibogaine and just trying to be a better version of myself.

The book I just recently read that I really, really love is not very well known.

It's this dude named Ken Rideout.

Okay.

And the book is called everything you want is on the other side of hard.

So obviously that's an average of 20 miles an hour on the bike, stationary bike.

And believe me, that... is a different workout than running, right? I heard, I was watching Ken Rideout's podcast that he did with Missy Franklin and even Missy Franklin, you know, Olympic gold medalist, multi-metals in swimming.

She's starting to start to try to become a runner.

She's doing high rocks, whatever.