
Kelly G. Lambert
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Sep 29, 2026
Wild Neighbours with Dan Werb
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Kelly LambertGUEST
Right, so I'm a behavioral neuroscientist, so a lot of the brains that I study are laboratory animals, and they're very protected, and we control and make sure everything's safe for these animals.

Kelly LambertGUEST
but I've been very intrigued by wild animals lately, and we're studying wild rats to compare to our lab rats.

Kelly LambertGUEST
And not only does she have to take care of these pups in the den, but she also often has to move them because, you know, word on the street is that this male's coming and he may harm or another animal could harm the den.

Talia SchlangerHOST
And I know you wrote this book before Jimothy went viral, but is he basically the argument in your whole book wrapped up into one raccoon? Yeah.
I taught rats to drive. They taught me to enjoy the ride | Kelly Lambert
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Elise HuHOST
I admit it's not a question I ask myself every day, but have you ever wondered what a rat can teach us about being human? In today's talk, behavioral neuroscientist Kelly Lambert, who spent much of her career studying negative emotions and depression, shares how to understand joy and anticipation through studying small but remarkably intelligent mammals, rats.

Kelly LambertGUEST
One morning, I walked into the lab, and I saw these rats run up to the front of the cage, and they were st- reaching their little arms out and jumping up and down, and it looked like they were excited to see me, like little rat joy.

Kelly LambertGUEST
And on the heels of all m- the negative emotion research that I had conducted, I wanted to investigate it.

Kelly LambertGUEST
When I first started teaching rats to drive cars, I never dreamed that those little rodents would steer me toward a surprisingly big discovery, a lesson about the importance of joy in our lives.

Kelly LambertGUEST
It turns out that we had a lot to teach each other, but I'm getting ahead of myself.
Rat vs. Raccoon
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22:38Ben Nadav-HafriHOST
There was a whole factory line system around producing lab rats via mass inbreeding, premised on the fantasy that the inbred rats were basically interchangeable with one another.
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22:52Kelly LambertGUEST
Their intention was the animals to be cl- as close to clones as possible, and then whatever your manip- your manipulation was, diet, stress, movement, or whatever, they felt confident that if they saw a difference between the experimental group that got it and the control group that didn't, that that variable was the influential variable.
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25:11Ben Nadav-HafriHOST
Just find the right set of incentives or punishments, and all of human behavior could be predicted and controlled.
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25:18Kelly LambertGUEST
When you started comparing that behavior to humans at a slot machine or something, people, I think, started seeing humans as big rats or rats as little humans.
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25:32Kelly LambertGUEST
Um, we've got, what, six thousand mammalian species, and we're gonna pick one or two?
HR. 3 - Initials Game 564 feat. Alec Lewis
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Chris HawkeyHOST
If, if he's that good, what can KOC do with him? More so than guys like Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold.
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1:23Kelly LambertGUEST
Yeah. Um, is JJ still ahead of schedule? Is that the, uh, the hot rumor that the rehab's going well and he's on pace to be ready week one, or we do not know yet?
Alec LewisGUEST
Uh, so, it, it's, it's... I mean, you need that cap space and I think that's why for as much as I, I could understand an argument around, um, Sam Darnold for 25 as opposed to Daniel Jones for 15, it's just hard to imagine ultimately that being the best route. And I, I think there are people inside the building that, that are, that understand that.
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2:44Kelly LambertGUEST
If you had to guess and be right, who do you think non-quarterback is probably their number one free agent target on Monday?