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Kelly criterion

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Oct 11, 2026

Matt ZeiglerHOST
67:34
It had me thinking a lot.
Matt ZeiglerHOST
67:36
I did this wonderful episode with Chris Abdel-Messiah where we basically worked through the math of the Kelly Criterion.
Matt ZeiglerHOST
67:43
And it was really interesting for a SIG-trained options trader and market maker to basically go, I never used this in my professional life.
Matt ZeiglerHOST
67:50
But I think this is a really interesting piece of math to break down and then going, I can figure out how to use this in my when I'm shopping for a warranty or not on my refrigerator and all these other applications beyond markets and and really bet sizing.
J.R.GUEST
21:51
You know, that is so important to being able to make sure that the strategies work.
J.R.GUEST
21:57
But just in case, see, if you go look up strategies online, Landrum, they give you some crazy things like the Kelly Criterion or the Martingale, which are negative and positive progressions, which in theory are good.
J.R.GUEST
22:09
When you take into the account that the variances that happen in sports betting don't happen the way it would happen on that algorithm where it's just win-win-lose-win-win-lose-lose-lose-win, they go up and down in gigantic peaks and valleys.
J.R.GUEST
22:23
My strategies encompass that.
Robert HagstromGUEST
20:08
The amount of your bet is being reduced.
Robert HagstromGUEST
20:10
It's the old Kelly theorem type situation.
Robert HagstromGUEST
20:13
So we're a little bit more comfortable.
Robert HagstromGUEST
20:17
In the spring, Dell had gone up 500%.

43 MINS LATER

Matt ZieglerHOST
63:03
So first off, stumbling into about this amount makes sense.
Matt ZieglerHOST
63:09
It had me thinking a lot.
Matt ZieglerHOST
63:11
I did this wonderful episode with Chris Abdel-Messiah where we basically worked through the math of the Kelly Criterion.
Matt ZieglerHOST
63:18
And it was really interesting for a SIG-trained options trader and market maker to basically go, I never used this in my professional life.
Robert J. SmithHOST
8:40
Mm-hmm
Chris PanagiotuGUEST
8:40
... using the Kelly Formula.
Robert J. SmithHOST
8:42
Right.
Chris PanagiotuGUEST
8:42
That's something I've actually been very passionate about as of late.
Type 3 AudioNARRATOR
12:37
We were allocating a lot of money to things we didn't think would deliver lots of impact just because they were safe.
Type 3 AudioNARRATOR
12:43
Subheading: The Kelly Criterion.
Type 3 AudioNARRATOR
12:47
Originating in finance, Kelly tells you the optimal fraction of your funds to bet on opportunities based on risk and reward.
Type 3 AudioNARRATOR
12:55
I first encountered it through Michael Lewis's book on Sam Bankman-Fried, who notably rejected Kelly as too conservative.
SamHOST
4:08
His fund just quietly compounded.
SophieHOST
4:10
And the engine behind all of it was the Kelly Criterion.
SophieHOST
4:14
It's a formula for how much of your bankroll to bet when you have an edge.
SophieHOST
4:18
Bet too little and you grow too slowly.
Jack ForehandHOST
1:50
And now like I understand so much more about that.
Jack ForehandHOST
1:51
And Chris too, like the Kelly criteria, people talk about that all the time, but in terms of what it actually means in terms of like, it's not in the clips, but like how it applies to insurance.
Jack ForehandHOST
1:59
Like it's just like, I learned a lot from that because people talk about them, but they don't actually necessarily know what the Kelly criteria is or how to use it.
Matt ZeiglerHOST
2:06
Yeah, read his on Panoptica.
Matt ZeiglerHOST
2:08
We published his, you'll now be position sizing bets in your head.

15 MINS LATER

Jack ForehandHOST
17:32
So anyway, moving on here, we're on to Chris Abdomencia, which we've alluded to before.
Jack ForehandHOST
17:35
Such a great podcast.
Jack ForehandHOST
17:37
I would recommend you listen to the whole thing, you and him, about the Kelly Criterion.
Steve MoriartyHOST
37:39
else.
Steve MoriartyHOST
37:39
I'm still trying to work out the Kelly Criterion with the NRL footy things.
Steve MoriartyHOST
37:44
I'm sure.
Jacob SeniorHOST
37:47
You're too passionate about it, mate.
George DykesGUEST
54:08
But the entree into that is to make a no pass bet.
ColinHOST
54:13
Did you see the Kelly Criterion post I did yet? Did you read it yet? You read it? How'd you like it?
George DykesGUEST
54:21
I liked it.
George DykesGUEST
54:21
I liked it.
George DykesGUEST
55:03
You know, lotteries is the biggest house edge in gambling.
ColinHOST
55:07
Yeah.
ColinHOST
55:09
Yeah, well, but in my Kelly Criterion post, I did state that it was not a good – idea to have agentic ai do this for you because of all the fees you know at the end of the day between short-term capital gains tax token fees all this stuff i layered on top that like yeah no i'm not saying to do that if you did a kelly correct if you bet small bets periodically and you had an edge let's say i mean yeah you can really make a lot of money because that's what i think renaissance did right with jim simons and them
George DykesGUEST
55:42
But
ColinHOST
21:51
And I would say that this post I did last night was titled Judgment Day for the Day Trader.
ColinHOST
21:59
Could Robinhood's AI agents run a Kelly Criterion trading strategy? This was the most fun I've had in a really long time writing a post on Substack.
ColinHOST
22:09
I don't know if it's because I'm so used to doing the morning podcast and getting it out or...
ColinHOST
22:16
And I haven't written in almost like weeks, you know, almost weeks.

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