And again, you're Sherlock Holmes here discovering something I think a lot of people haven't talked about before.

I want to go back in time.

So remember when we all about acute COVID, right? So the interesting thing part of acute COVID, right? People had the virus and they were actually okay, right? They managed the virus.

It was actually the second week when they started getting what we call cytokine storm.

When these inflammatory markers showed up, that's when these people got really, really sick.

That was a real first introduction.

And one of those we were introduced to was interleukin-6, was a big one.

Sure.

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Like, I think now if I w- in my 50s, if I went back and said, "Hey, wait," I think I'd be a little bit more nervous.

It wasn't as bad.

And one of the things that happened, and it happened a couple months before, the summer before I went to work for them, Gary Taubes released his famous essay in The New York Times about, you know, maybe sugar's bad.

And then also Dr. Atkins soon after went on Larry King, and that was really a, a central moment where he talked about thyroid and how, you know, people had fatigue and other issues, and it may be thyroid related.

And the f- phones rang off the hook.

So I actually kind of-- I think my timing was really good for that aspect, where he, he got some mainstream, you know, attention for the first time and, and really people started to doubt, you know, the previous message.

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