Keith A. Meister

I've talked about four activists, uh, over a, uh, probably a fifteen-year period, um, involving, um, Pioneer.

Uh, w- actually, the fourth one was with Williams as I joined the board with Keith, Keith Meister, uh, and, uh, with Corvex.

And, uh, so I've always listened to, to people.

In hindsight, uh, most people were correct in the advice they were giving me.

Just that experience, any comments? I know you can't say a ton, but when people want an example of a company that seems to be at the intersection of everything right now, it feels like it's Williams.

Yeah, and what's strange is that I joined the board when it was my fourth activist type period with a guy named Keith Meister, who was, you know, icons right here in Merced for many years before he formed his own.

You say in the book you bumped into Keith.

I know it.