Tell us what we know about that.

It's fascinating, isn't it? And, uh, you always have to remember that the Vatican is a, is a state, and, uh, therefore the pope is the head of state as well as being the leader of a church.

And so they have, they call them nuncios, which are basically like the Vatican's ambassadors in different countries.

And of course-Countries can summon an ambassador for a kind of dressing down if they're unhappy about something, and this seems to be what's happened with defense officials and the Vatican's person in, in America.

And what was said in there, we don't entirely know.

It wasn't public.

There wasn't a proper public readout of it afterwards, and there's been various reports which have been sort of no comment from both sides.

Is that, is that wise?

Tell us what we know about that.

It's fascinating, isn't it? And you always have to remember that the Vatican is a state, and therefore the Pope is the head of state as well as being the leader of a church.

And so they have, they call them nuncios, which are basically like the Vatican's ambassadors in different countries.

And of course, countries can summon an ambassador for a kind of dressing down if they're unhappy about something.

And this seems to be what's happened with defense officials and the Vatican's person in America.

And what was said in there, we don't entirely know.

It wasn't public.

Is that wise?

Why has it been so long and why is it happening now?

Well, the original space face in the 1960s, people used to ask even then, what's the point of it? It's very expensive.

Are we just going up there to try and stick a flag in? Do the Americans just want to sort of brag that they could beat the Soviet Union there? But there was a lot of science done in the Apollo missions.

They went to find out literally what is the moon made of? How did it come to be there in the first place? Does it have any water or ice or minerals? You know, human beings have explored every corner of the Earth's surface from the land to the seas and eventually the skies.

I mean, our lives today rely almost entirely on satellite technology, whether it's the sat-nav in your car or it's doing a Zoom call with someone in America, or it's watching a live football match from halfway around the world.

That all came out of that.

But it was expensive.

And aside from the private involvement, which is fascinating in its own right, when it comes to the battle between China and America, who gets there first, what is the great prize? Is there sort of a set of laws around this? Is there a sense of if you get there first, you get to own it? Lunar dominance, effectively.