Whereas if somebody is in work and they are working for somebody that they don't feel comfortable fully being themselves in front of in terms of like, and whatever that looks like, what would you, what's your opinion on that? What would you, what would you say to that person?

Oh yeah.

Well, I mean the first, I remember this when I stepped into my VP role, I started working at an organization.

I didn't really know them very well before I started there.

And the first thing that struck me was the, how much people there showed up as their authentic selves.

It was part of the core company culture.

And I had never experienced this.

So

I know this comes up for a lot of people when they're going to a different company and they're going for a more senior title.

So a thousand percent.

I'm actually really glad that you stopped us there to dive a little deeper on this because I absolutely felt this way.

And like I mentioned, when I started in my director role, I was feeling confident.

I was feeling great.

I was like, I can crush this.

By the time, by the end of that fifth year in that role, I was like, maybe I shouldn't even be a leader in corporate.

So do you think you were experiencing that back in that director role, just working really hard meeting to meeting and not having that white space to communicate? To think and to then act on that as