Katrina vanden Heuvel

Bhaskar Sunkara is president of The Nation.

Katrina Vanden Heuvel is editor and publisher of The Nation.

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Bhaskar Sunkara is president of The Nation.

Katrina Vanden Heuvel is editor and publisher of The Nation.

Our theme music is Barcelona Afrobeat, licensed by Creative Commons.

You can find out more about Start Making Sense at thenation.com and subscribe to Start Making Sense on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

Bhaskar Sunkara is president of The Nation.

Katrina vanden Heuvel is editor and publisher of The Nation.

Our theme music is Barcelona Afrobeat, licensed by Creative Commons.

You can find out more about Start Making Sense at thenation.com, and subscribe to Start Making Sense on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

Bhaskar Sunkara is president of The Nation.

Katrina Vanden Heuvel is editor and publisher of The Nation.

Our theme music is Barcelona Afrobeat, licensed by Creative Commons.

You can find out more about Start Making Sense at thenation.com and subscribe to Start Making Sense on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

Right.

Before we get to Ukraine, on which you've done, uh, so much superb, uh, research, uh, I want to ask you, there's your book, Their Blood, Our Bullets, and I commend it, as have my colleagues, Seymour Hersh, Katrina vanden Heuvel, and Professor Mearsheimer.

I commend it to all of our, uh, viewers who want the benefit of Aaron's extraordinary research on Ukraine.

But before we get there, I have to ask you about these reports in The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times recounting that the president of United Arab Emirates and the head of secure, national security for Egypt, now both are reporting or having witnesses report of the conversations that they both warned Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu of October 7th before it happened.

Bhaskar Sunkara is president of The Nation.

Katrina Vanden Heuvel is editor and publisher of The Nation.

Our theme music is Barcelona Afrobeat, licensed by Creative Commons.

You can find out more about Start Making Sense at thenation.com and subscribe to Start Making Sense on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.